Chloe Taft

Lehigh University
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00:00:00 - Introduction

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Partial Transcript: My name is Chloe Taft. I am the author of the book From Steel to Slots: Casino Capitalism in the Postindustrial City. Currently I work at Northwestern University. Previously, I’ve taught courses in U.S. History and Urban Studies.

Segment Synopsis: Chloe introduces herself and describes why she chose to write a book on Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; casino industry; deindustrialization; economic development; family; historic preservation; local government; steelworkers

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00:01:16 - Why do stories that focus on smaller towns like Bethlehem have national relevance?

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Partial Transcript: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, if you look at the longer history of the community, is a fascinating kind of amalgamation of everything American Studies, which is my background. There’s a religious component to the community...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes how Bethlehem's history is representative of national trends.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corproration; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Moravian Church; Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem; arts and culture; casino industry; immigration; religion; research

00:02:36 - Can you describe how Bethlehem has changed over time?

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Partial Transcript: Some people I talk to in Bethlehem like to divide the history of the community into three eras. The first era: the age of the Moravians...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes the division of Bethlehem's history into three eras: Moravian, Steel, Casino.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Lehigh River; Lehigh University; Moravian Church; Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem; arts and culture; casino industry; deindustrialization; economics; employment; religion; steelmaking

00:05:07 - How has immigration impacted the City of Bethlehem?

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Partial Transcript: Bethlehem was founded as an immigrant community. The Moravians came from Eastern Europe, mostly from what's now Germany and Czechoslovakia. When the Bethlehem Steel Corporation set up shop, it began recruiting also actively from Europe, and a lot of early steel workers came directly from Italy, Hungary, Germany, England to look for higher wage jobs and a good stable livelihood in the United States...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes that immigration has always been central to Bethlehem's history.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Mandarin Chinese; Moravian Church; South Bethlehem (Pa.); affordable housing; employment; immigration; poverty; religion; upward mobility

00:08:19 - Can you describe the social and economic conditions in Bethlehem prior to the arrival of the casino?

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Partial Transcript: What's really interesting about the Bethlehem Steel site is that it wasn't just the case of a corporation one day locking the gates and leaving and never looking back. The decline of the Steel Company was quite gradual, and as it closed down, Bethlehem Steel wanted to figure out how the land could be reused...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes the losses in tax revenues that the City of Bethlehem incurred after the bankruptcy and shuttering of Bethlehem Steel.

Keywords: Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; casino gambling; casino industry; deindustrialization; dining; economic development; entertainment; gambling; historic preservation; state government; tax revenue

00:10:10 - Can you describe the casino debates?

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Partial Transcript: When Pennsylvania legalized casino gambling, communities went through an application process where prospective corporations who wanted to open casinos had to get approval and licenses from the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board, and there are a limited number of licenses available...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes how the decision to develop a casino in the Lehigh Valley stirred tension in Bethlehem, PA.

Keywords: Allentown (Pa.); Bethlehem (Pa.); Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Lehigh Valley (Pa.); Moravian Church; Pennsylvania; anti-gambling; casino debates; casino gambling; casino industry; economic development; employment; gambling; identity; local government; local histories; pro-gaming; state government; tax revenue; zoning

00:12:25 - How does employment at Sands Casino differ from employment at the Bethlehem Steel Corporation?

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Partial Transcript: One major difference between employment at Bethlehem Steel in its heyday and employment in the casino industry today is the absence today of a strong union...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe highlights that the largest difference between the Bethlehem Steel Corporation and the Las Vegas Sands Corporation is the loss of a strong union presence.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; casino industry; deindustrialization; family; labor unions; local histories; steel industry; upward mobility

00:14:52 - Can you describe Las Vegas Sands' restrictions on labor unions?

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Partial Transcript: When Las Vegas Sands effectively donated some land to the city so that the city could help build an art center on former steel land, it had included in the deed terms that there could be no union organizing happening on that land...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes the Las Vegas Sands Corporation's historic opposition to unions and the limits it puts on the properties it holds.

Keywords: ArtsQuest; Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas (Nv.); Las Vegas Sands Corporation; SteelStacks; labor unions

00:16:16 - How has Sands Casino impacted the job market in Bethlehem?

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Partial Transcript: One of the biggest promises that Las Vegas Sands made coming into Bethlehem was the number of jobs it would create. And it did. It created about 3,000 jobs on a site that had been vacant, that had zero jobs when it entered the market...

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Lehigh Valley (Pa.); Mandarin Chinese; Northampton Community College; Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem; South Bethlehem (Pa.); dining; economics; employment; entertainment; job creation; retail; table games; translation; unemployment

00:20:23 - How has Sands Bethlehem fit into the Las Vegas Sands' larger business model?

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Partial Transcript: I think one thing that was not foreseen when Las Vegas Sands came into Bethlehem was how Bethlehem would fit into its global portfolio. Las Vegas Sands makes the vast majority of its profits in Asia, in Singapore and Macao ...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes how Sands Bethlehem deviated from the Corporation's larger business model.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Las Vegas (Nv.); Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Macao; No. 2 Machine Shop; Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem; Singapore; ancillary development; casino sale; community; corporate citizenship; economic development

00:22:49 - Does the casino industry target low-income or deindustrialized communities?

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Partial Transcript: One of the significant trends in casino development, not just in Bethlehem, but across the United States and across the world, is that the casinos often open in communities that are either impoverished or in desperate need of employment. And often these are postindustrial communities, communities that formerly hosted factories...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe describes that casinos development coincides with the needs of post-industrial communities where employment and tax revenues are prioritized.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); casino industry; deindustrialization; economic development; economics; employment; poverty; steel industry; tax revenue; unemployment

00:23:58 - Is a casino economy a long term solution for post-industrial communities?

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Partial Transcript: When Las Vegas Sands opened its Bethlehem Casino in 2009, it very quickly became one of the most successful small regional casinos, not just in the area, but in the country. And in a way that's also mixed blessing because so many other communities saw the success that a regional casino could have...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe explains that the expansion of the casino industry could present a future problem for Bethlehem's casino's efforts to draw in out-of-state visitors.

Keywords: Atlantic City (NJ); Bethlehem (Pa.); Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem; casino gambling; casino industry; competition; gambling; tax revenue

00:26:11 - Are there more sustainable options available to post-industrial communities?

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Partial Transcript: One of the most interesting things is that when Massachusetts decided to legalize casinos, it included a question in its application saying: ‘what will you use this building for if at some point in the future, casinos are no longer functional there?’ It’s a fascinating thing to ask someone who's making a pitch for a long-term Economic Development to predict what will happen when they are no longer sustainable...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe explains that the other ideas for post-industrial development are no more sustainable or novel without plans to also stimulate the economy in other ways.

Keywords: affordable housing; ancillary development; casino industry; deindustrialization; economic development

00:27:45 - Does the presence of a casino draw more customers to other local business?

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Partial Transcript: In almost every community where a casino has promised that it's gamblers will end up sending money outside of the casino weather at restaurants, museums or at other communities that never quite lives up to expectations...

Segment Synopsis: Chloe explains that the hopes many have that a casino will stimulate the local economy sometimes remain unfulfilled.

Keywords: ancillary development; arts and culture; casino industry; dining; economic development; economics; entertainment; retail

00:29:14 - If readers could learn one thing from your book, what would you hope it would be?

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Partial Transcript: When I set out to learn more about Bethlehem to write this book I knew there was a story there but I didn't know what it would be, and of course it turned out to be more complicated than I ever imagined. So to say there's a black-and-white answer as to whether Bethlehem in the 21st century is better or worse than it was when Bethlehem Steel was in its heyday is not that easy to answer because it depends on who you ask and what their situation is..

Segment Synopsis: Chloe highlights that such large stories are never black and white.

Keywords: Bethlehem (Pa.); Bethlehem Steel Corporation; Las Vegas Sands Corporation; Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem; South Bethlehem (Pa.); affordable housing; ancillary development; arts and culture; competition; economic development; employment; tax revenue; tourism